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one realizes very quickly we've been

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40 feet long no windows no no real wings

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or control surfaces no obvious signs of

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propulsion and yet this object is

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witnessed Now by four separate

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individuals in two separate aircraft

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welcome back guys it's been a couple of

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hours since I saw you last thank you so

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much to everyone that joined me earlier

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for my conversation with Avi Loeb and

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for coming and join me for a second time

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I'm really excited for this conversation

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I've been following this gentleman's

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work for many years now so yeah as

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always guys if you have any questions

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please pop them in capital letters so I

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can see them in the live chat please

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keep the live chat nice and uh friendly

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I appreciate that you always do

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um so yeah so Alejandro Rojas is joining

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me today he uh has been working in this

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subject for many years he uh he runs

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open Minds TV he is the head of research

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and content at Enigma labs and also a

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member of the scientific Coalition for

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UAP studies so let's jump straight into

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it guys please welcome Alejandra Rojas

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Alejandra hello doing great thank you so

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much for having me on I noticed uh Solly

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here is from Cardiff UK actually I'm in

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Phoenix now but I live in Cardiff

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California yeah so oh how strange

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it's named after Cardiff in the UK

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actually oh right okay like twin towns

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yeah fantastic well listen 100 thank you

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so much for joining me like I said you

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know I've been following your work for

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many years now

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um and I'd just like to know sort of

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your background to start us off what got

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you interested in UFOs and how it

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progressed into sort of being involved

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in the community

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yeah I would say that you know the

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simple story is

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um I I always had an interest in science

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in fact I wanted to be a rocket

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scientist when I went into school uh at

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uh CU Boulder actually which they have a

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great program and have produced a lot of

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astronauts I was hoping to be one at the

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time but you know I fell in love with

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journalism

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um in college and that's what really

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hooked me in fact uh I've been kind of

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telling it this story this way which is

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um and it's kind of funnier is that you

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know the person who got me into

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journalism she was the news director of

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the radio station at Mesa State College

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which is actually where I also had gone

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uh sorry I got distracted it's always

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hard not to look at the commenting

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exactly people are so funny but anyway

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she had a boyfriend who was really into

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UFOs and it was so annoying and I

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couldn't stand it and that because he

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wouldn't stop but you know I started

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listening to him looking into stuff uh

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and I just noticed there was a lot of

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credible information that wasn't being

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covered I watched all the documentaries

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but you know he was letting me in on

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some of these very credible people that

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weren't in these documentaries so I saw

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it as a beat you know that I didn't feel

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that the media was telling the full

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story like they normally would for any

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other story I found that curious and to

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be honest a bit irrational that uh the

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taboo around the topic so I decided to

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cover it and of course I was super

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skeptical going into it but open-minded

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background has really opened me to the

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you know lots of different possibilities

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of what might be out there and and

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keeping an open mind about you know our

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reality not only that I think especially

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in space science or astrophysics you

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know a lot of times we discover things

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uh that we never would have imagined

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on a regular basis in fact I would argue

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that most Astro physics is like that

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um so uh definitely you know realizing

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we don't have all the answers so that's

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where I started so I started covering it

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as a regular journalist I mean um it's

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not like I could get a lot of work

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writing about UFOs so I started writing

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for medium a couple other places uh then

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dreyferson where I you know went in my

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room and and I was I've total kind of uh

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on and once I felt I read all the books

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I could read I decided to join mufan I

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wanted to talk to Witnesses and that

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turned into a big huge ride for the next

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decade or so where uh you know luckily

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the headquarters were out where I lived

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um including being doing PR and being

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the official spokesperson for MoveOn for

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a period of time uh where because the

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media did have a hunger and this is what

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successful uh at getting to mainstream

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uh if not above I think you know uh

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sources but in this field you have to

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make sure the credibility of your

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sources are even higher than they would

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be for a normal story because of that

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taboo around this topic so uh that was

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really important and that was one thing

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we could offer at mufon was legit

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information and that's what the media

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wants is if you give them something

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that's weird or too Fringe they're going

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to make fun of it

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um and but think of the position you're

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putting this reporter in you know is

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this reporter are you asking this

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reporter then to kind of substantiate

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what you're saying without evidence

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compelling like a former director you

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know defense secretary of Canada talking

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about this topic or something like that

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you know that's newsworthy even if that

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person is saying something that's kind

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of weird that's a newsworthy story so

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understanding the newsworthiness is is

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what's really important and people will

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was super skeptical you know they were

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still open to really credible

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information on the topic so uh that's

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what got me into it you know uh in

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freelance I did Cover Space and Science

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more often that opened a lot of doors to

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be able to like talk to some astronauts

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and stuff but uh and do lots of NASA

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coverage but uh and I I did my best and

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every astronaut not every astronaut now

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that I think about it but almost every

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astronaut I've interviewed I've been

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able to ask what they think about UFOs

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NASA board sure

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uh guidelines and whenever I ask

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publicists even NASA

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they they're like you know we nobody's

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asked that question or you know we don't

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know much about this so they love

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hearing that of course the astronauts

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themselves are not as eager to talk

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about these topics typically but

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the general public which which bleeds

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agencies uh and that's a lot of what

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government it's similar to the interest

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in the general public which is about you

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know polls show 50 50 split if not you

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of the 90s early 2000s a big event back

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on disclosure so it feels like we've got

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know all pre-2017 how did that feel that

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excitement for the for the subject and

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these these stories that weren't being

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told and you know then Stephen Greer

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credible people who just you know are

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people the type of people that would be

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media that resulted from that and that

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was really shocking to me that was a

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huge motivator for me

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um to get information out there and it

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is they still weren't reading the room

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when it came to the public and and uh

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the media so you know when you mix in

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um you know defense industry people with

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they can't substantiate some of whom

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um it makes it more difficult for the

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media to cover those sort of topics and

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think that it they demonstrated you know

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researchers can be a little more

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disciplined I mean if we really want to

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get the type of coverage that will be

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effective for the population but the

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of attention you know for me the big

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Stephenville was a really big one for

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mufon at the time you know when we were

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investigating that um that was also a

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huge one and then Chicago O'Hare was

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also a really big one and those are

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great cases because those uh you know

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we've got a lot of data we've got a lot

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of mainstream media involved in fact

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both of those events were kind of uh

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made big by mainstream media and and

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that's what's kind of weird is that you

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just we it's always a wait and see what

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is a media going to pick up on

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is it a good case that we can research

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and provide some good data on or is it

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something to shy away from uh luckily

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you know they jumped on Stephenville and

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Chicago O'Hare and there was good

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information to share and so those got

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those I think were those were the

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perfect storm where you have the media

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and the public really interested and

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they were kind of little uh test runs

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for the New York Times which was the big

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one of course in 2017. yeah completely

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agree it does seem like it was also

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leading towards something and when that

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happened yeah I guess it did seem like

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it changed the change the game a bit and

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here we are you know five six years

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later so

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next up I'd love to talk about Enigma

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Labs because this is an Endeavor that

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I've been keeping an eye on and I think

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it's really fantastic how it's been

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launched and that so could you just tell

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us a bit of background about how it came

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about and its purpose

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yeah really uh some people in the tech

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industry

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um who uh wanted to figure out how to

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help how uh you know looking at this

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topic

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um some of you know uh

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what can be done and so talking to

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different people they have connections

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with

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um very intelligently I think discovered

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that you know one of the big things and

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and you may have heard this I'm sure you

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have a lot of us science oriented uh

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groups or individuals have been wanting

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a database

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um you know it's something that a lot of

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the seu group The Scientific Coalition

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for UAP studies came from mufon

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including myself from leadership in

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mufant and that's what we were always

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that was our major goal but there's

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limited resources

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um mufon had been getting a lot of

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requests from people to kind of to do

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the more

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um kind of Fringe type of stuff kind of

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similar to the disclosure in 2013. and

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so which is totally fair that's what the

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people wanted and so mufon decided to

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kind of open up the topics they were

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into

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um and so at that time you know a lot of

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the seu guys decide well let's focus on

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science and so that's kind of how seu

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started

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um

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but everybody's been wanting a database

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you hear valet you know was kind of

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working on a database the atip team uh

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to the stars

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um everybody so uh it was it's really

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smart that they were they chose that to

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hone in on and then luckily I was

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brought in and

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able to kind of introduce them to the

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scientific Community

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um and get us really embedded so now we

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uh regularly talk with uh a lot of the

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scientific Community uh

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you know that are into this topic that

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are researching UAP

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um the reason we've done that is because

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that's what that's the whole that's the

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big point of the tool I mean there's

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there's two things and we want the uh to

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share with the public so the public can

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have access to information can uh submit

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sightings look up sightings

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um so that the public has a place to go

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but then all of that data of course we

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want to get to researchers because uh

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all of us you know who have been in this

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topic feel that that's an excellent way

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to be able to make some really uh great

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discoveries and in fact at the seu you

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know we've been doing that um it took us

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a long time to manually scrub that data

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to find the really good cases to start

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to do some analysis on and we've got a

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couple projects going on right now if

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you go to explore scu.org you can go

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look at our last couple of newsletters I

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would highly recommend that and you can

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see some of the progress on some of

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those projects and some really

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interesting information

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but uh you know with Enigma Labs we're

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going to be able to greatly speed up the

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process of uh you know mechanically

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scoring cases to find out where the good

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cases are so researchers can have good

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batches of cases that they can then

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investigate and research for whatever

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they're doing and you know it's it's a

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citizen science thing too everyone will

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have at their fingertips finally you

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know these tools to be able to do their

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own research and make some discoveries

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so super super excited about it uh We've

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you know we're launching things slowly

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yeah

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um and you know the especially the

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researcher tools will probably be more

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towards the the back end of of our of

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our launch but

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um you know right now we have uh

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something I've been working on which is

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commissioning a lot of great writers to

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write pieces about UAP cases and people

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and individuals to give people a

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background so if you go to our website

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enigmalabs.io and look at the library

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you're going to see dozens and dozens of

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Articles

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um well researched and cited uh on a lot

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of great cases new and old

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um yeah and and that's a new blog that

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we just put up and that's the other

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thing I'm working on is a Blog so we're

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gonna have some regular blog articles

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coming out where we are sharing

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information that we're Gathering but

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also you know giving you our thoughts or

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ideas on other things so for example

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completely transparent in fact if you

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slow scroll down a little bit the last

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blog was transparency for data privacy

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for the people what that means is most

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of our our individuals in our

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organization don't share their name they

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want to remain anonymous um right and

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people you know we've seus similar

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because the taboo still exists you know

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and so

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um unfortunately but uh I always make

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this argument when people

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um have said well you know I thought

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everything's about transparency it is

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and and we're transparent with the data

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and what I mean by that is that with the

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blog we're going to be sharing like all

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of the sausage making details so you'll

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be able to see how that scoring Works

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um you know the scoring right now we we

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are very transparent with the scientific

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Community because we're asking their

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input what do you guys think of this you

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know what do you think should be tweaked

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or changed

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um and we want to make sure that it's

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fully transparent because researchers

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need to understand every minute detail

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about the data and how the data is

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gathered if they're going to write a

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paper because they have to justify that

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or or speak to that

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um so it's incumbent upon us to be

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transparent on all of those things so

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it's going to be fun because we're going

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to be starting to have these

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conversations in the research community

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that really haven't happened yet but are

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really important conversations where

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we'll be able to talk about you know all

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of this stuff how do we do this how do

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we square that how do we analyze this

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how do we figure that or this out let

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alone being able to discuss and debate

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the findings that people have which I'm

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extremely excited about yeah that is

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exciting I'm just going to bring that

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back up because I want people all the

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links for everything we discuss are in

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the description below but I want people

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to go check out the blogs but this piece

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I I just came across it today and read

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it it's fascinating you know it gives

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details on the sightings and you've got

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a video with

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the anomaly or anomalies from two

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Vantage points and and this is great and

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then you know you mentioned that people

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can submit sightings it's a really easy

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interface to give details

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um on your sighting with an option to

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add videos and images if needs be which

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I think is just really good to have a

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really user-friendly tool like that so

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that's really good um what I was going

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to ask about oh it's just my mind's just

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gone sorry it's been a long day it's

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been a long day no problem I worked it

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out how is it you know you get all these

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sightings coming in from the public how

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do you determine like which ones you're

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going to research over others is it like

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a process of people sitting down and

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that's a great point so we're not

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necessarily the research group

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um we will be providing data as we run

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across it and findings as we run across

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it but our focus is not so much the

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research it's more of the Gathering of

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the sightings and then getting that

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output uh getting that data into our

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databases

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we're doing also is we're working with a

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lot of UFO researchers around the world

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to acquire new databases uh We've we've

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developed technology where we can take a

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letter a report and scan that and get

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all the data out of it and get it into

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the database so we're kind of that Tech

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side to get everything into the database

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for people to use and then work on those

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tools and ingesting and everything to to

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make that data available for everybody

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so we're kind of like the providing the

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tools

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um essentially for for researchers uh

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and then the researchers are doing the

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work and we hope to create a community

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where researchers can share their

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findings and hopefully you know work

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with especially some of these UFO

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researchers that we work with who are um

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you know very scientific minded and very

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accomplished in their fields so they can

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also troubleshoot that data because

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that's kind of like what we do at SCE

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you you know yeah um and that's what's

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that's kind of the scientific process

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which can be difficult and I know a lot

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of people in the UFO world can sometimes

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have struggle with it because you know

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the idea of the scientific process is

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you come up with an idea you write an

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argument as to why I'm right

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um and then people beat it up and you

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should have beat it up yourself and in

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fact in your paper you should have

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here's where I may be wrong yeah

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um and then you know you send it out

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people beat it up and the whole point is

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you know

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um to have some good data as output and

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I think that we've seen that um there

551
00:21:44,029 --> 00:21:39,600
are Skeptics who are always skeptical

552
00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:44,039
um of cases even very strong ones but I

553
00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:46,140
think what we've seen is you know for

554
00:21:51,649 --> 00:21:49,559
example at seu uh the Navy case the

555
00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:51,659
Aguadilla case some of the cases we've

556
00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:54,419
got papers on are very strong does

557
00:22:00,289 --> 00:21:56,760
everybody agree with us no

558
00:22:02,810 --> 00:22:00,299
but the vast majority do and the vast

559
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,820
majority if not all yeah I would say

560
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:04,559
I'll stick with right now the vast

561
00:22:10,669 --> 00:22:07,679
majority of scientists agree as well and

562
00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:10,679
it is a a consensus sort of thing yeah

563
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,539
so we feel pretty comfortable with those

564
00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:15,120
those pieces that they're strong and we

565
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,580
do have a consensus from the scientific

566
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,679
community that that we were on the right

567
00:22:24,289 --> 00:22:22,080
track with those papers and we have been

568
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,299
able to demonstrate some anomalous

569
00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:27,120
Behavior yeah and I think you know the

570
00:22:30,890 --> 00:22:29,340
subject's been crying out for to be

571
00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:30,900
taken seriously by the scientific

572
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,480
community so I think the more we see of

573
00:22:37,970 --> 00:22:35,220
that it's you know it's it's nothing but

574
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,980
good going forward so you know it's

575
00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:39,840
really good to see

576
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,500
um

577
00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:42,480
I'm all over the shop tonight and my

578
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,860
apologies

579
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:46,080
so yeah you mentioned seu again you know

580
00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:47,340
great bunch of people you know I've

581
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:48,780
spoken to Rich Hoffman a couple of times

582
00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:51,480
fantastic organization and yeah I think

583
00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:53,480
the work they do is fantastic and

584
00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:55,620
obviously you're a part of that is there

585
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:56,820
anything they're working on that you can

586
00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:58,380
tell us about at the moment that we

587
00:23:02,270 --> 00:23:01,020
might have to look forward to yeah I

588
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:02,280
think

589
00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,580
the to look forward to one of the great

590
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:07,860
things that we've been working on and in

591
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:11,039
fact after I end here which now that I

592
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,240
think about it we'll have to end

593
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:14,640
somewhat sharp but uh after I end here

594
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:17,940
we're gonna I'll join them for a meeting

595
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:19,980
um but a lot of what we've been doing is

596
00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:23,220
behind the scenes networking and that's

597
00:23:27,230 --> 00:23:25,380
been a lot of fun and actually really

598
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,240
rewarding

599
00:23:31,549 --> 00:23:29,340
um of course I work on the public uh

600
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:31,559
education or public relations side of

601
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:33,240
things and um

602
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,220
and I would say we've had a little bit

603
00:23:39,649 --> 00:23:37,440
of input or output but not a ton of

604
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:39,659
output in the the last few months which

605
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,580
which hopefully we'll get more here soon

606
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:43,919
but that's because we've been especially

607
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,220
you know before and since our conference

608
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:49,919
uh we've been networking bringing people

609
00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:52,260
together and you know what got out that

610
00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:54,539
at our conference we had space for us

611
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,179
there we had several government agencies

612
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:59,760
represented there mingling and working

613
00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:01,020
with

614
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:04,380
um you know the the UFO researchers uh

615
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,600
and of course the UAP researchers

616
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:08,820
themselves I mean a lot of our

617
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,720
organization are people uh scientists or

618
00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:15,600
Engineers who regularly work with the

619
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,360
government and uh even ASAP some of our

620
00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:21,360
members were part of OSAP so uh the

621
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:23,700
government uh you know research group

622
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:26,039
people like Eric Davis who's fairly

623
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,539
active in seu and so um that's what

624
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:31,919
we've been doing a lot of networking

625
00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:33,720
bringing people together and and that's

626
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,360
been extremely rewarding

627
00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:38,880
um and educating people who are getting

628
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:41,159
involved with this so it's been great I

629
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:43,260
think the fruits of the efforts are that

630
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:45,240
I think we've been able to really help

631
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,679
get

632
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,780
um people informed and bring people

633
00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:50,880
together who are going to help

634
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:52,500
um these agencies and these different

635
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,900
groups that are getting involved we've

636
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:57,360
been very open with uapx and with

637
00:25:02,690 --> 00:24:59,700
Galileo they've been coming to us

638
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,700
because they want papers they want help

639
00:25:07,010 --> 00:25:04,799
um and so and we've been offering that

640
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:07,020
where we can so I think we've been a

641
00:25:11,149 --> 00:25:08,460
really important part of making this

642
00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:11,159
cohesive scientific UAP research kind of

643
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:13,799
community which is extremely needed

644
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,240
right now because that's where

645
00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:17,220
government agencies are looking to to

646
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,799
help them figure out what to do yeah it

647
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,360
does it just brings credibility to the

648
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,400
subject like I said it's what we need I

649
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:24,720
just wanted to highlight two more things

650
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,820
sorry just real quick we do have some

651
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:28,320
papers that we are working on that

652
00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:30,120
people can go look at uh we'll be

653
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,700
updating this website soon where people

654
00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:34,860
will be able to see the projects we're

655
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:36,779
working on more

656
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,659
um easily but we're working like we have

657
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:42,240
a Uso project we have a types and shapes

658
00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:43,679
project where we're taking that data

659
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:44,940
that I was talking about earlier and

660
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:47,100
doing some analysis

661
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,159
um and uh you know even at Enigma Labs

662
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,799
we're we're really partnered up with seu

663
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,240
to help on some of those

664
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:56,159
that's incredible yeah I just wanted to

665
00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:57,779
highlight this question regarding Enigma

666
00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:00,299
that I I missed it's Echoes In Lo-Fi

667
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,460
says are people involved in the armed

668
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,559
forces encouraged to use enigma and if

669
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:06,480
so a member level could be helpful for

670
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,700
example normal citizen level one

671
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,500
um Services employees level two is that

672
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:12,720
something you've discussed or considered

673
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:15,179
uh we definitely want people in the

674
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,020
armed forces uh to use the app so yeah

675
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:21,600
great question in fact right now we are

676
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:23,220
really looking for people to submit

677
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:25,799
sightings so if any of you have had a

678
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:27,960
sighting please go to our website uh and

679
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:29,700
take a minute and submit that sighting

680
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,620
it's extremely helpful for us because

681
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:33,600
right now we're you know we're teaching

682
00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,740
the machines and we are testing and

683
00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:39,779
troubleshooting all of that

684
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,059
um and the reason this gets to the

685
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,360
question is that you know our system is

686
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:47,580
able to identify

687
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,480
um

688
00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:50,700
people who are in the armed forces so

689
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:52,020
for example which is a little different

690
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,559
from other forms that you'll see is we

691
00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:57,179
do ask give us a little bit of

692
00:27:00,769 --> 00:26:58,740
information about the witness or

693
00:27:03,769 --> 00:27:00,779
Witnesses

694
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,779
um and so we can tag things like that

695
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,000
um so that those can be searchable right

696
00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:08,400
because of course to this person's point

697
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:10,679
you know those are important it'd be

698
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,260
important to be able to pull out you

699
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,880
know I specifically want to see military

700
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,620
cases

701
00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:18,600
um like the gossap was doing so yeah

702
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:20,520
that could be pulled out

703
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:22,679
um and in fact you'll see in our library

704
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,539
most of the cases that we've written

705
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:27,120
about our military cases because what I

706
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,179
want to lay down there is the really the

707
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:32,400
best stuff you know

708
00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:36,120
um so some people have you know that

709
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:38,039
you'll see that in there that what

710
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:40,200
you're looking at if it's military law

711
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:42,179
enforcement heavy is because you know

712
00:27:46,010 --> 00:27:44,220
what we're trying to do is show that

713
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,020
this is the stuff that's been you know

714
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:47,760
making people scratch their heads this

715
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,260
is the reason come Congress is so

716
00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:51,840
interested is because of this history of

717
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:54,120
good cases that are out there by uh

718
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:56,700
credible people yeah I know it's just

719
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,200
here in the comments star aquatic says

720
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:00,000
yeah I see not straightforward to make a

721
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:01,559
report then it is absolutely

722
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:03,240
straightforward as we as we showed on

723
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:04,919
the screen it's a very user-friendly

724
00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:06,779
I'll bring it back up one more time but

725
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:08,580
it's a very user-friendly interface you

726
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:10,860
literally pop in where you saw the

727
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:13,320
sighting when some details about it

728
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:14,760
upload

729
00:28:21,169 --> 00:28:18,360
a video or image how many witnesses boom

730
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:21,179
you know it really is that simple yeah

731
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,559
we made it really

732
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:24,960
I like this feature too

733
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:27,720
um where we made it very simple in that

734
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,779
we have one screen and then we asked you

735
00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:32,580
want to put in more information if you

736
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,919
do it goes to a second screen oh right

737
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:37,440
okay you know some people don't want to

738
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:39,900
take a bunch of time

739
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,340
um they just want to take a short amount

740
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:42,960
of time so that first page is at least

741
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,700
give us this

742
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,380
um if if you have some more time give us

743
00:28:50,269 --> 00:28:48,720
some more if not thank you for for your

744
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:50,279
contribution

745
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,179
um and

746
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:53,159
yeah so we've kept it very very simple

747
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:55,380
very easy for people and you can remain

748
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:56,580
anonymous

749
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:00,120
um yeah there's a check there and uh

750
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,539
then your data is not ported you know

751
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:06,120
and it you can remain anonymous yeah I

752
00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:07,140
think that's really good because I think

753
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,520
some people may just in the initial

754
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:10,620
phase just want to get the sighting

755
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,779
reported and not go into so much detail

756
00:29:17,149 --> 00:29:15,600
but maybe they can do a later date so I

757
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,159
think that's really good

758
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,720
um now one thing another another thing

759
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,159
that I really wanted to talk about was

760
00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:21,840
the international UFO Congress that

761
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:23,159
you're involved with so if you could

762
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,659
just talk us a bit about that that'd be

763
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,580
great thank you yeah so the

764
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:29,520
international UFO Congress

765
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:31,140
um well I used to help the previous

766
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:33,720
owner the Browns who owned it since uh

767
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,580
for a very long time

768
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,860
um and they held it out in Laughlin I

769
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:39,539
knew them and actually one of the things

770
00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:42,480
that I did with mufon in Colorado when I

771
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:44,279
joined was uh help them with their doing

772
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:46,860
conference and we were trained

773
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:49,260
to do it by the international UFO

774
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,299
Congress people they they were local to

775
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:53,279
Colorado that's how I got to know them

776
00:29:57,049 --> 00:29:54,960
they trained us how to do conferences

777
00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:57,059
and then we did like the next five in

778
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:59,159
Colorado because we really got it down

779
00:30:02,269 --> 00:30:00,419
pretty well

780
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:02,279
um and then we started helping Roswell

781
00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:04,860
and then I in particular that first they

782
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:06,419
called mufan and said hey will you guys

783
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:08,580
help us with our conference so we said

784
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:12,000
sure I helped them out the next year you

785
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:13,740
know move on was kind of like well I'm

786
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:15,240
not sure it's worth the time and I said

787
00:30:18,529 --> 00:30:16,860
well if you guys don't mind I'll do it

788
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,539
just myself because they're a great

789
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,919
group of people I like working with them

790
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:21,840
they're like sure so I helped them out

791
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:23,820
individually

792
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,740
um and you know helped out the Congress

793
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,360
because they were they helped us with

794
00:30:31,549 --> 00:30:29,039
doing the move on conferences and

795
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:31,559
they're great people so

796
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:35,100
um then you know this gentleman uh too

797
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:37,080
was independently wealthy decided he

798
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,480
wanted to make a website

799
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,760
um Jason MccLellan one of my colleagues

800
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:43,919
was already working for him John Rayo

801
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:47,520
with open minds and so yeah he was like

802
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:49,380
you know I'm gonna figure out the the

803
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,140
UAP mystery and start this company in

804
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:54,000
and that was his hobby he didn't care

805
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,500
about making money he was making money

806
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:57,960
off his other company so we hired a few

807
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:00,600
of us including myself to run the and he

808
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:03,240
bought the international qfo Congress so

809
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:04,980
with open minds we ran it for a few

810
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,299
years until

811
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,399
finally open mind she's kind of ended it

812
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:11,279
was expensive to to do everything he was

813
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,940
doing and my girlfriend then uh bought

814
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:16,320
my significant under bought the

815
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,880
conference so I didn't get away from it

816
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:19,440
and and

817
00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:21,240
which is funny because the conference is

818
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,179
certainly more populous I kind of say I

819
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:25,919
mean what we used to try to do is

820
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,899
represent all of the different topics in

821
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:29,760
the field

822
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,419
um uh and not you know put our own

823
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,580
interpretations on there just uh make

824
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,440
sure that we didn't have charlatans or

825
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:39,840
people who were serious about whatever

826
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,460
it is they were researching and then

827
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,960
what people in the field were interested

828
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:44,159
in

829
00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:49,380
than than I'm typically known for that I

830
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:50,940
work on

831
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:54,120
um even to this date so um so it's kind

832
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:55,980
of interesting that way but at the same

833
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:58,140
time you know a lot of those people are

834
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,640
my friends a lot of those people like

835
00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:01,919
let's say David Childress who Ancient

836
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:03,779
Aliens he's a friend of mine he lives in

837
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:06,659
in the Phoenix area and um we may not

838
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:09,480
Giorgio uh used to go to the Congress

839
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,159
the international UFO Congress for a

840
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:13,200
long time and so a lot of these guys

841
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:15,659
even if it's not you know my expertise

842
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:17,940
or area of Interest they're still good

843
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:21,899
friends and and and so I think just a

844
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,399
lot of people especially in UFO Twitter

845
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,740
I think that's important to say and I do

846
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:27,600
say that a lot and it's not that I'm

847
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:30,360
name dropping it's that I'm trying to

848
00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:33,539
say people with different opinions can

849
00:32:38,269 --> 00:32:36,539
be friends and can get along and hang

850
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:38,279
out and have a good time with each other

851
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:42,120
and debate the topic or

852
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:43,020
um

853
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:45,419
and and you know because so much you see

854
00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:47,580
online these divisions where it's like

855
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:48,779
you've got to be in this camp but you

856
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:49,980
got to be in that camp you don't have to

857
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:51,299
be in any Camp

858
00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:53,820
um you can be yourself as an individual

859
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,500
and have your own sense of opinions and

860
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:57,600
ideas and still get along with people

861
00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:59,340
who have different sets of opinions and

862
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:01,260
ideas and I think that's just really

863
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,559
really important as far as a concept

864
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:06,480
um and especially right now because that

865
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:09,240
professionalism is is really what people

866
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,679
are looking for that's what the media

867
00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:12,960
looks for that's what these agencies are

868
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,940
trying to get involved are looking for

869
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:17,220
that you know is a level of

870
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:19,140
professionalism where everyone can work

871
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:20,700
together well

872
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:22,980
um and so I think that's important and

873
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:24,779
that's an important aspect of Congress

874
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:27,000
but this year was great

875
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:29,100
this year we had a couple Movie Makers

876
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:31,320
again friends

877
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:32,940
um but it's kind of weird I'll get to

878
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,340
this in just a second actually I want to

879
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,919
circle around to that that topic but um

880
00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:40,320
you know James Fox showing his moment of

881
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,360
contact for the first time not

882
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,880
technically the premiere uh the premiere

883
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:47,519
was the day after the conference but you

884
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,380
know he snuck it in there so he could

885
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,120
show our audiences

886
00:33:55,789 --> 00:33:53,640
um also we had Randy Nickerson there uh

887
00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:55,799
showing his film The aerial phenomenon

888
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:58,620
and um speaking to it and then uh some

889
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:01,260
of the witnesses from that case in that

890
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:02,279
film

891
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,200
um also I think that people haven't

892
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:07,260
heard from ever we had an interview with

893
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,560
uh we had of course Bryce zable who's

894
00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:12,599
doing his podcast need to know that

895
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:15,300
everybody is so excited about

896
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:16,980
um but uh

897
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:19,560
Micah Hanks from the debrief who I think

898
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,899
is amazing uh the debrief is such an

899
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,000
incredible website we're lucky to have

900
00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:26,339
it and those guys do some incredible

901
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:28,679
work uh Mike has helped us out some of

902
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:30,540
those Library articles are his actually

903
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:31,800
all right

904
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:35,460
um a great writer and researcher

905
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:36,599
um

906
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,580
so yeah we had a lot of really great

907
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:41,280
stuff and then David Marler uh which was

908
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:43,980
really important too you know how to

909
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:46,200
talk and then he officially announced

910
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:49,020
his latest effort which is his National

911
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:51,960
UFO archives Center

912
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,119
um where he's got you know the biggest

913
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:57,599
collection of data and it's growing

914
00:35:02,210 --> 00:34:59,880
um as far as the database Archive of

915
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:02,220
materials and we're working with him

916
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:02,880
um

917
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:10,020
so so yeah really great event but uh

918
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,060
it's kind of funny and this is why I'm

919
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:14,160
circling around is because a lot of the

920
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,540
people we had there to people like the

921
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:18,000
nickerson's or the The Foxes or the

922
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:19,440
marlers

923
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,380
you know we have known and as a

924
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,300
community you know having worked

925
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:26,160
together for the last couple of decades

926
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:29,099
it's like family you know me and Bryce

927
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,859
Bryce and I you know have definitely had

928
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:33,839
some phone calls where we've kind of

929
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,180
disagreed about things

930
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:39,599
um marlar and I not so much but

931
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,859
um

932
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:43,200
you know all of these people we've you

933
00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:45,060
know Randy there's this time where he's

934
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:46,920
really tense at a conference and where I

935
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,060
was trying to help him out and it was

936
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:49,680
and I guess what I mean is you have

937
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,760
these these uh such long histories yeah

938
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,440
and that you have these moments of

939
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:57,599
trauma and drama that you live through

940
00:36:00,829 --> 00:35:59,339
together

941
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:00,839
um and that's what really makes it feel

942
00:36:06,349 --> 00:36:03,480
like a family where we're just so close

943
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,359
and it it really is kind of funny these

944
00:36:10,609 --> 00:36:08,579
days too because when you know sometimes

945
00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:10,619
on UFO Twitter or something when you

946
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:12,380
have these different camps people try to

947
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:15,000
set each other set people against each

948
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:16,680
other saying you know well this person

949
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:19,140
to that and this person said that

950
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,579
um or like with Eric Davis a lot of

951
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:22,560
people are saying hey you know you sound

952
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:24,060
like you're being

953
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,520
you know you're not on team Eric Davis

954
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,560
which of course I am I love the guy I

955
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:30,000
know him

956
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:32,700
um and uh you know I people don't

957
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,440
realize that you know these

958
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:37,920
relationships we have are solid and they

959
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,339
go back quite a way so you're not really

960
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:43,980
gonna get in between us you know we're

961
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,859
yeah we go back quite a way so we're

962
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:48,240
always going to be talking and working

963
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:51,180
together and and friends and colleagues

964
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:53,460
and um again it all comes back to you

965
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,859
know working together well despite

966
00:37:00,349 --> 00:36:58,800
having differences yeah that's great to

967
00:37:02,089 --> 00:37:00,359
hear um we mentioned we had a chat

968
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:02,099
before we came on just saying that you

969
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:03,060
know the one thing I found with

970
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:04,740
confidence is is the connections that

971
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,380
you make with people you know you may

972
00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:08,880
not be there to see every single speaker

973
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:11,339
because it might be a part of the topic

974
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:12,660
that you're not interested in and that's

975
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,579
fine but those little bits in between

976
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,320
the speakers where everyone's gathered

977
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:18,720
and talking are just incredible so yeah

978
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,240
you know I see conferences getting a bad

979
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,800
rep sometimes people saying well it's

980
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:24,000
just the same people saying the same

981
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:26,280
same thing year in year out but

982
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,980
it's go to them it's not the case in my

983
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:30,720
opinion you know some sometimes maybe

984
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,300
but you know I think that it has its

985
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:35,940
value certainly so yeah and and that is

986
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:37,740
rare there are some people I'd admit

987
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:39,720
let's say like Stanton Friedman who was

988
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,320
uh he was an anomaly he was the one guy

989
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:45,240
where we would have a survey every year

990
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:47,099
we would be like you know we shouldn't

991
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,599
bring Stan again because he's someone

992
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:50,640
that we brought every year but we would

993
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:52,260
have a survey and we would even have

994
00:37:55,849 --> 00:37:54,119
people coming up why do you have Stanton

995
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,859
again he said the same thing he said for

996
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,839
the last 10 years and we would always

997
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,280
tell them it's because at the end of the

998
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,200
conference we have a survey and who's

999
00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:03,660
the top of the list everybody wants to

1000
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:05,579
see Stan Friedman so we invite him every

1001
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,740
year same with Travis Walton everybody

1002
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:09,839
wants to hear what they have to say even

1003
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:11,880
if it's the same thing every year

1004
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:14,520
so we listen to the people so there are

1005
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:16,260
instances of that but typically other

1006
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:19,560
than those couple rare anomalies

1007
00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:21,780
um we make it a point to bring new

1008
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,640
people who are bringing new research and

1009
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:25,320
I've never been the only one to choose

1010
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:27,540
the speakers but um and even now I've

1011
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,099
been so busy I didn't get to have as

1012
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:31,740
much of an input but um you know even

1013
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,500
now with Karen uh who runs it she uh has

1014
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,480
that same commitment is to look for

1015
00:38:41,089 --> 00:38:39,359
people doing different new research that

1016
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:41,099
um even if it's someone who spoke last

1017
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:43,020
year if it's something I think she's

1018
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:44,280
very adamant it's got to be something

1019
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:46,380
new and different and we have David

1020
00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:48,420
Marler quite a bit but you'll notice he

1021
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:49,740
did a completely different talk than

1022
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:51,480
he's ever done before this time

1023
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:53,460
yeah he's an encyclopedia that man

1024
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:56,220
fantastic yes he's amazing

1025
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:57,960
um I'm quite conscious of the time see I

1026
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:58,980
know you've got this meeting I just

1027
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:00,300
wondered before we leave a couple of

1028
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:02,280
topics I'd love to talk uh your opinion

1029
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:03,900
on the upcoming NASA study about

1030
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,640
potentially doing some further work next

1031
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:07,980
year what are your thoughts on that

1032
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:10,800
I'm extremely excited about the NASA

1033
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:13,380
study I think that it's kind of the most

1034
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:14,940
important

1035
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,780
it's science you know the great thing

1036
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,640
about science is that is it's it's

1037
00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:23,280
nature is transparent

1038
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:24,140
um

1039
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,060
science to be done right needs to be

1040
00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:28,800
transparent

1041
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,320
Eric Davis you know had even mentioned

1042
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:32,880
who's because he's got experience

1043
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,220
working on special access programs or

1044
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:37,560
black projects and he talks about how

1045
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:40,140
doing science is really hard it's good

1046
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:42,420
to do Engineering in other words build a

1047
00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:44,040
plane where all the research has been

1048
00:39:48,589 --> 00:39:46,500
done but doing any type of research is

1049
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:48,599
really hard in that you know everybody

1050
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,660
has to be read in and with most research

1051
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:54,000
you need you never know what scientific

1052
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,440
discipline you're going to need to pull

1053
00:39:59,569 --> 00:39:57,839
from but if he wants to consult with

1054
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:59,579
someone who's an expert in a field he

1055
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,140
found out that he needs more information

1056
00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:03,839
on you know it might take it's going to

1057
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:07,079
take months and tens of thousands of

1058
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,420
dollars to get that person read into the

1059
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:12,000
project and once they're read into the

1060
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:13,260
project and that whole thing has

1061
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:15,060
happened you know to have your two-hour

1062
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:16,920
meeting to figure out what you need and

1063
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:18,420
then you're done

1064
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,700
um let alone is it hard for the

1065
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,440
scientists in the program but also the

1066
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:24,000
scientists outside the program are like

1067
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:25,320
I don't want to go through that sorry

1068
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:27,480
I'd like to help but I don't got the

1069
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:30,060
time to do all this so it makes it

1070
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,280
really hard whereas you know especially

1071
00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:35,040
with NASA the science they do is is very

1072
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:38,339
transparent it's very rigorous extremely

1073
00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:39,900
rigorous

1074
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:44,280
when it comes to Triple checking

1075
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:46,980
everything before they make a statement

1076
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:49,859
um an example would be I think the uh

1077
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,339
European Space Agency had uh you know

1078
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,280
announced that there was evidence of

1079
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:58,560
traces of water on Mars a year before

1080
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,900
NASA did it's not that NASA didn't have

1081
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:02,880
the same data it's that they were triple

1082
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,980
checking everything to make sure before

1083
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,960
they came on board to say yeah we think

1084
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:08,880
there there's traces of water of course

1085
00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:10,859
now that's a given but that was pretty

1086
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,500
controversial statement back then

1087
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:14,640
um

1088
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:17,099
so uh the transparency I think is what

1089
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:18,660
is what's going to be really really

1090
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:22,380
important uh and the science because

1091
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:25,079
that's what we're going to get answers

1092
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:28,260
um they don't have to you know be

1093
00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:30,300
worried about classified uh the

1094
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:32,220
classified world so much they they're

1095
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,140
just worried about the science the

1096
00:41:39,290 --> 00:41:36,660
aviation the air safety uh people forget

1097
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:39,300
that air safety is something NASA it

1098
00:41:43,609 --> 00:41:40,680
also

1099
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,619
um it works on which is important

1100
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,599
because people like Ryan Graves who is

1101
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:48,720
one of the jet fighter Witnesses

1102
00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:51,960
um on the Theodore Roosevelt he's been a

1103
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:53,480
big Advocate and he's working with the

1104
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:57,240
aiaa and

1105
00:42:01,730 --> 00:41:59,579
his main thing is air safety that you

1106
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:01,740
know we're up there and these things are

1107
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,140
zooming by us or we're we have had near

1108
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,720
misses with these things we really need

1109
00:42:11,329 --> 00:42:09,359
to get a handle on at least you know

1110
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,339
observing and trying to figure out what

1111
00:42:15,470 --> 00:42:13,200
they are for an air safety issue

1112
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:15,480
especially for you know his fellow jet

1113
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,579
fighter pilot so

1114
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:19,200
um so that's an important aspect and

1115
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:22,260
then of course the uh trans Medium as

1116
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:25,320
far as uh anything from

1117
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:28,619
leaving the atmosphere or returning into

1118
00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:31,380
the atmosphere because and the reason

1119
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,240
that's extremely important is that you

1120
00:42:37,609 --> 00:42:34,800
know we've got lots of different types

1121
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:37,619
of propulsion we use to Traverse inside

1122
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,619
the atmosphere to fly around but we

1123
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,200
don't have many technologies that we use

1124
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,359
just Rockets essentially to leave and

1125
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:47,760
then re-enter the atmosphere sure so if

1126
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:49,859
we're observing something using some

1127
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:52,200
sort of Novel technology that's you know

1128
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:54,119
going to be very important data and and

1129
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:55,560
it's interesting because people like

1130
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,020
Chris Mellon have alluded to the

1131
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,000
potential of that sort of data being out

1132
00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:02,640
there so that would be interesting

1133
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,640
um to find out uh so you know I'm really

1134
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:07,920
excited about NASA's involvement I think

1135
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:09,540
that it seems like they're taking it

1136
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,400
very seriously

1137
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,920
um you know what they really had it

1138
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:16,020
appears it's kind of an exploratory

1139
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:18,839
group should we do this

1140
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:21,180
um those people were seem to be

1141
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:23,099
convinced that yeah let's create a

1142
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,260
bigger group to look at this even harder

1143
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:27,599
and so now they have a larger group of

1144
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:29,880
individuals who are getting together to

1145
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,980
kind of figure out okay what do we do in

1146
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,420
this space if there's something for us

1147
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:36,000
to do and that's where they're at so I

1148
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:37,800
would say you know now is a great time

1149
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,980
to encourage NASA it has to have but

1150
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,480
yeah you know

1151
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,880
that we need your expertise we need your

1152
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:46,560
help with this topic it's worth it

1153
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:49,740
because the public is interested uh

1154
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:51,180
they're a government organization that's

1155
00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:54,420
who they work for uh and that you know

1156
00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:55,800
there are real concerns here when it

1157
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:57,960
comes to air safety so

1158
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:01,680
um you know and NASA's yeah I I'm a huge

1159
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:04,260
NASA fan so I'm very excited about their

1160
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:05,220
involvement

1161
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:06,420
but what would you say to the people

1162
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,280
that you know NASA does get a bad rep

1163
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:10,079
and has done for a few decades has been

1164
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:13,140
you know they know about the UFO subject

1165
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,000
they've been sitting on videos and

1166
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,560
airbrushing this and that over the

1167
00:44:19,849 --> 00:44:18,660
decade so how would you sort of convince

1168
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,859
someone that oh no this is different

1169
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:21,480
this time is there a way that you can

1170
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:23,700
kind of do that well I don't know that I

1171
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:25,140
would convince a lot of those people

1172
00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:27,180
because some of those people are

1173
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:29,579
convinced of things that there isn't a

1174
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:31,079
lot of evidence that it's occurred so

1175
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:33,540
they're going on faith um and so you're

1176
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:36,780
never gonna well it's gonna be difficult

1177
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:42,480
um to to gain those people's trusts so

1178
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:43,560
um you know that is going to be

1179
00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:46,619
difficult I I think that that

1180
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:48,780
just doing good work is always what's

1181
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,339
most important

1182
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:52,740
um I know even you know with Enigma or

1183
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:55,140
SCU we certainly have people that are

1184
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:56,760
skeptical

1185
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:58,920
um and all you can do is is do just like

1186
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:00,900
we've said we're going to do which we've

1187
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:04,560
done is you know be transparent uh be

1188
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,140
open work hard uh be professional and

1189
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,240
um I think those with that combination

1190
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:14,400
of things uh that's how you win people

1191
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:16,260
over and and one thing that I've learned

1192
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:18,660
from working with NASA is their Ultra

1193
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,900
professional I mean they are their

1194
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:23,640
pleasure to work with

1195
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:28,319
um from the pr to the the engineers to

1196
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,660
everyone at Nasa is a dream to work with

1197
00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:32,160
they're there because they're on a

1198
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:33,420
shared Mission

1199
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,619
um it's almost like you're talking to

1200
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:36,960
military because they've got a shared

1201
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:38,940
goal they understand their

1202
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:41,940
responsibility and that the taxpayer is

1203
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:45,000
who you know their boss and

1204
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:45,839
um

1205
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:48,780
uh they're just great people so I think

1206
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:50,940
that they're they're honest and and

1207
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:52,200
genuine

1208
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:53,700
um and and for their skeptical which

1209
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:55,079
some of them aren't they'll be honest

1210
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,300
and genuine about that as well and so

1211
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:59,160
it'll be our job to

1212
00:46:03,050 --> 00:45:59,819
um

1213
00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:03,060
you know show them data that is worth

1214
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:05,339
looking into yeah I agree and I think

1215
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:06,839
it's a case as well let's just wait and

1216
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:09,540
see you know we can pass judgment now or

1217
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:12,180
we can slander them here and there but

1218
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:13,500
let's just wait and that's kind of what

1219
00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:14,819
I tell people let's give them a chance

1220
00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:17,099
and if if nothing comes of it so be it

1221
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,359
you know if you want to tell me I Told

1222
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:20,880
You So if that makes you feel better go

1223
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:23,640
for it yeah and I think that

1224
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:26,220
part of the problem too is is a

1225
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,740
communication problem that we can all

1226
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,440
help with which is you know a lot of

1227
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:33,900
these guys who have been getting some

1228
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,839
criticism from the UFO Community

1229
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:39,359
um by being skeptical

1230
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,220
um first of all skepticism is is

1231
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,200
important in science you have to be

1232
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,540
skeptical of your own findings

1233
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:46,800
um so that's something to keep in mind

1234
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:51,119
second of all is there is a

1235
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:54,180
a communication gap so in other words

1236
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:57,180
uh there's the term UFO which kind of

1237
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:59,160
got co-opted to mean alien spacecraft

1238
00:47:02,569 --> 00:47:01,020
that's not what it means that's not what

1239
00:47:05,210 --> 00:47:02,579
the Air Force meant for it that's not

1240
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,220
what I've ever uh defined the and and

1241
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,960
it's not the official definition it's

1242
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:08,880
unidentified we don't know what the root

1243
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:11,460
of it is same with UAP but that baggage

1244
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:13,859
seems to have moved across so when you

1245
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,240
hear some of these scientists they're

1246
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:17,040
they're like you know I don't know that

1247
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:19,079
there are aliens I'm not sure I want to

1248
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:21,240
do any alien hunting

1249
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:22,859
um but what they're doing is

1250
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,380
misunderstanding those same people are

1251
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:27,359
also saying though however if we're

1252
00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:28,619
going to look at what some of these

1253
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:30,119
things might be because they might be

1254
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:31,260
you know things that we haven't

1255
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,240
discovered before I'm all for that I'm

1256
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:36,240
all for the scientist of uh researching

1257
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,800
things that we haven't identified yet

1258
00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:39,599
which is exactly what they're being

1259
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,420
asked to do so they are on board for

1260
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:45,920
what the task at hand is it's just a a

1261
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:48,780
semantics thing you know UAP does not

1262
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:50,819
equal aliens and we've got to make sure

1263
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:53,160
and educate people on that when we're

1264
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:54,839
interviewed when we're talking anyone

1265
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,839
and you know UAP does not equal aliens

1266
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:00,480
it's one potential answer of many many

1267
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:03,240
potential answers yeah and one thing I

1268
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:04,380
always try and think about as well is

1269
00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:06,119
that people say NASA knows this well

1270
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:09,180
NASA is thousands of employees so you

1271
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,980
know if you look at people 20 30 40

1272
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:12,720
years ago who may have had some

1273
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:14,280
information or seen some data doesn't

1274
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:17,099
mean that people on this study have any

1275
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:19,500
access or knowledge of that and it's the

1276
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:21,000
same I find when people say the

1277
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,160
government knows well the government is

1278
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:25,200
millions I think of employees when you

1279
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:26,940
look from the you know from the

1280
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:29,160
government a great Point that's a really

1281
00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:30,780
good point and I have just not run

1282
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,500
across evident of uh strong evidence be

1283
00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:36,540
Beyond hearsay that that sort of thing

1284
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:38,760
is being hidden

1285
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:40,680
um you know we heard from the most

1286
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:42,599
convincing person at the UFO Congress

1287
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,480
which I was a good video where we had uh

1288
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:47,400
of course he spoke at the Congress and

1289
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:48,900
then we had Lee Spiegel interview him

1290
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,300
for the Huffington Post where this Dr

1291
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:53,760
Hoover who worked in astrobiology with

1292
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:55,980
NASA uh said you know he did believe

1293
00:48:59,450 --> 00:48:57,420
there was some evidence that was

1294
00:49:02,210 --> 00:48:59,460
destroyed but he explained the details

1295
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,220
and it wasn't that it was some sort of

1296
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:04,800
malicious destruction

1297
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:07,260
um it was essentially you know there was

1298
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,420
a scientist who was kind of stubborn who

1299
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,040
was saying I this is not the evidence

1300
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:13,200
you think it is I've already had to turn

1301
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:16,200
shown it's not what you think it is and

1302
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,300
just wanted the issue off the topic so

1303
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:21,599
it was one individual who you know I'm

1304
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,920
not sure if that was the best thing to

1305
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:24,480
do but um

1306
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:26,940
if that's different from what a lot of

1307
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:30,060
people think is going on yeah yeah so my

1308
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:32,520
final question before I let you go is um

1309
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:36,180
we are overdue a UAP report

1310
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:37,380
I just wondered if you had any

1311
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:40,440
expectations any guesses on whether it

1312
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,780
would be a nothing burger or we might

1313
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:44,400
get some tidbits of information any

1314
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,500
anything you're thinking about

1315
00:49:52,849 --> 00:49:49,440
I think that a lot of people in the UFO

1316
00:49:57,849 --> 00:49:52,859
Community might not be excited

1317
00:50:00,050 --> 00:49:57,859
um but it and I gauge that because to me

1318
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:00,060
any of this information that's coming

1319
00:50:03,730 --> 00:50:03,180
out right now is really important

1320
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:03,740
um

1321
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:08,099
and I was not necessarily A detractor of

1322
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:10,980
the last report

1323
00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:14,099
um you know I I and it's great that we

1324
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,700
heard that Dr Travis Taylor who of

1325
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:19,680
course is on the TV show the skinwalker

1326
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,560
but he's also spoken at seu even before

1327
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,200
the television show he's a scientist

1328
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:27,599
who's been on R Raider radar who we've

1329
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:30,060
worked with for years because he's

1330
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,140
extremely credentialed and intelligent

1331
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:36,000
um he was much more skeptical a few

1332
00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:38,339
years ago than he is now because he

1333
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:40,500
feels that he's experienced some some

1334
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:43,020
strange things you know at Skinwalker

1335
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,400
that he can't explain that he's trying

1336
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,040
to explain scientifically and I don't

1337
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:49,200
believe he's a liar or a hoaxer at all I

1338
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:52,380
think that it's not good for I don't

1339
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:54,540
think he wanted to run across anything

1340
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:57,420
anomalous it just happened and he's

1341
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:00,059
honest because I don't think that it's

1342
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:01,980
something he feels that he was going to

1343
00:51:05,210 --> 00:51:03,660
run across or

1344
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:05,220
um and it's probably caused him some

1345
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:07,980
headache it seems like it has so he

1346
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:09,300
wrote that report and I think he

1347
00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:11,400
genuinely probably did his best to

1348
00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:13,079
gather information and write that report

1349
00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:14,819
I believe that

1350
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:16,680
um and it was interesting in that we had

1351
00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:20,460
144 cases 99 of which can't be explained

1352
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:22,680
so when it comes to the new report of

1353
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:25,140
course we've had some alleged leaks who

1354
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:26,520
knows

1355
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,359
um

1356
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:29,400
you know how close these people are have

1357
00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:31,740
been to the report but I I mean what

1358
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,940
I've read are kind of two

1359
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,040
interpretations of the same kind of

1360
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:37,680
information which is half glass half you

1361
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:39,660
know glass half full glass half empty

1362
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:41,940
sure one side is saying well it turns

1363
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:44,040
out we're able to explain most of these

1364
00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:47,640
away no surprise so are we you know and

1365
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:49,980
the the general public

1366
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:53,040
um and so a lot of it turns out just to

1367
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,040
be X Y and Z whereas the flip side of

1368
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:57,599
that which we heard in the Daily Mail

1369
00:52:02,450 --> 00:51:59,880
was more like wow after we investigated

1370
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,460
there's still a lot of these we still

1371
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,079
can't explain

1372
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:06,240
um which I think is a more interesting

1373
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,859
um story of course for those of us

1374
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,359
interested in this topic and still

1375
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:11,520
justifies further research and

1376
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,940
investigation so I to me that's kind of

1377
00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:17,040
exciting uh that we are going to hear

1378
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:20,040
there's a good group of of cases that

1379
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,880
they can't explain and I hope uh that

1380
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:26,400
we're going to be provided some details

1381
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:28,980
about these sightings because you know

1382
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:32,099
in the Daily Mail especially there were

1383
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:36,180
details shared that if those details are

1384
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:38,040
in the report are going to be extremely

1385
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,780
compelling

1386
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,240
um and really some some incredible cases

1387
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,160
if the details aren't in the reports

1388
00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:47,520
then um uh you know it will be less

1389
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:50,040
exciting but I still you know to me I

1390
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,540
think this is what the people miss when

1391
00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:54,240
that first report came out and the

1392
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:56,460
general public is seeing the military

1393
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:59,220
saying we can't explain 140 plus cases

1394
00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:00,780
and

1395
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,160
something that we we are not you know

1396
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,559
joking about that are a serious concern

1397
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:09,839
that we have to pay attention to that's

1398
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:12,960
a huge message you know and and I know

1399
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:15,059
for a fact from working with someone in

1400
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:16,380
the mainstream that that's very

1401
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:20,400
convincing it's very mind-blowing to a

1402
00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:22,380
lot of the public to those of us in this

1403
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:23,940
field who have been following it's no

1404
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:25,619
big deal in fact lots of people are like

1405
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:27,240
that's boring we knew that well the

1406
00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:28,920
general public did not know that so

1407
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,380
that's just you you know and in my

1408
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,780
research for example I've been pinging

1409
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,940
the Air Force on a regular basis when

1410
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,920
I'm writing articles and always given

1411
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:39,720
the same report we haven't had any

1412
00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:42,300
concerns since 1969.

1413
00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:43,800
um you know to finally hear them

1414
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:45,180
admitting

1415
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:47,640
um to what we've been reporting you know

1416
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:50,940
with evidence for so long is is hugely

1417
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:53,160
validating so

1418
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:55,020
um I have more of a positive view on

1419
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,260
these reports and I I would be surprised

1420
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:00,960
if there's not something really kind of

1421
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:03,240
mind bending especially for the general

1422
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:06,780
public in this report that there might

1423
00:54:11,329 --> 00:54:09,300
not be anything that gets the UFO feel

1424
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:11,339
extremely excited but I I think there'll

1425
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,599
be stuff that'll get the scientific

1426
00:54:16,609 --> 00:54:15,599
Community talking which is which is very

1427
00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:16,619
important

1428
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:18,540
yeah completely agree well listen

1429
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,980
Alejandra it's been an absolute pleasure

1430
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:21,599
to speak to you I really do appreciate

1431
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,359
you giving the time to me today uh to

1432
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:25,920
everyone in the live chat thank you for

1433
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:27,420
for being here as well I'm going to be

1434
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:29,099
back well I'm going to say I can't say

1435
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,900
when it's when the report drops I will

1436
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,400
be going live with Christopher sharp to

1437
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:34,319
cover that but for now everybody thank